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Max Gogarty and The Guardian – From mistake, to farce, to learning

February 20, 2008 By Dan Thornton

I was ready to lay into The Guardian again, as the whole Max Gogarty controversy seemed to be missing the basic point of blogging. Besides the issues of nepotism, and class, the controversy would have been much less if blogging had been explained and implemented properly, criticism had been pro-actively responded to, and it The Guardian hadn’t decided to sulk and stop readers commenting.

We’ve had a response from the Travel Editor which concentrated on the hiring and class struggle. We’ve had a story detailing the ‘hate mail hell‘ Max has gone through. And throughout it all, there seems to be a lot of surprise about the responses to the blog, both on The Guardian, and throughout the internet.

Thailand pic by Flydime on Flickr.

It went viral because someone decided to close comments. For the same reason that someone banned from their local pub will probably go straight to their next nearest drinking hole, and sit their complaining about the ban. If you want to discuss something strongly, and a website won’t let you, you go elsewhere.

It got complaints because it wasn’t honest and open. Disclosure isn’t an unfamiliar concept to journalists or bloggers, so I’m still amazed it proves so difficult for corporate or company-approved bloggers to understand that hiding things are pointless. You should be honest,
to the point of stating why you can’t discuss certain topics on here. I wouldn’t blog about someone I didn’t like at work, for example, or a top secret project, because they’d be biased, or damaging to that project.

It got complaints because the only response was to close the comments. In later stories, you saw responses from someone claiming to be Max’s dad, Paul Gogarty, and also Emily Bell. And even though there was still blame on the ‘nasty bullies’, and a time limit on comments, you can already see that the nature of the comments changes slightly when there is actually someone listening and responding.

But, it seems like there is some valuable learning. Emily Bell, The Guardian’s Director of Digital Content, wrote a piece on the value of discourse yesterday, which did acknowledge the value of participation.

There is one line that worries me when she writes about ‘representative insitutions’ and mass participation : “we can shepherd refinement into this new partnership”.

Why would we want or need refinement? Do we want shepherds herding us around like sheep? Or do we just want to feel like our comments matter?

This week I shall be….

September 21, 2007 By Dan Thornton

Mostly on the move.

So for updates, I’ll be mainly relying on the speed of Twitter, although I will try and make sure there are regular updates throughout my time abroad/away from a computer.

If you want to keep up with my Twitters, you will mostly find me here:
http://twitter.com/BadgerGravling

Amazon’s Mechanical Turk gives a home to the desperate and the spammers

September 6, 2007 By Dan Thornton

I’d heard about Amazon’s Mechanical Turk before, but never really had a chance to play. It’s a system to allow you to earn cash for doing jobs computers can’t do for companies and individuals.

But don’t start hoping you could earn much cash from your desktop. The average pay for work ranges from $0.01 to under $1. Ignoring the crappy exchange rate, and bearing in mind most tasks will take at least five minutes or more…I’d guess the best wage you could earn is about $9 an hour.

It also seems home to people seeking spam comments packed with keywords, or to get marketing and survey calls made for them.

But my favourite has to be the request from Steve Stedman.

He’s offering $0.01 for a comment of any kind on his blog. Which is kind of fair enough I guess, if he’s desperate for any kind of affirmation (but isn’t it a bit like hiring an escort?).
But he makes one cardinal sin in his HIT request on Mechanical Turk:

“No reference to Mechanical Turk should ever be made in your comments.”

That turns it into a cynical exercise. And it’s made me completely disregard any comments on his blog, of which there are quite a few…I’m also now suspicious about the actual content and purpose of his blog…Which I ‘spose I should link here. I’m quite tempted to spam it with mechanical turk links…

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